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In Reply to: Name of the rump posted by Julie Hoffer on December 07, 1998 at 17:38:46:

I have been debating on how to fit into this discussion. I have read the posts, and find many intersting and different points that are great. I do believe that there was a reason for the sex scene, I am by no means saying the length at which it lasted was appropriate, but who am I to say what is and was is not appropriate. I just know that I see a connection between the sex scene of Edgile's and the fascination of books by William of Baskerville. Crazy? Maybe, but maybe I can make myself a little clearer. It is agreed that William loved books and would have done anything to have seen and read the second book of Aristotle. He loved to read, and to learn, this was forbidden or looked down upon by the monks and so on. Did this stop William? No, he had a fixation on books and this temptation was too strong for him. He even saves books from the fire at the end of the movie when the Abbey is burning.
Now, Edgile's fixation is different, yes, but is it really? His temptation was the peasant woman, and later the love he says he feels for her. This woman, for whatever reason, had sex with him, and in the end seemed to want to go with Edgile. Edgile then has to chose. Which does he love more, his master or the woman. Tough choice, but he chooses. He chooses to go with his master, although he does look back one last time. His last sight of the "only true love of a woman in flesh." He then goes on to love books as his master did.
This isn't really where I wanted to go. I know it is confusing, but I guess I am trying to say there is a parallel in the movie, and somehow the sex scene begins to show how a temptation isn't necessarily always bad if one falls to it. Edgile falls to the woman, and William falls to books. They do seem related because they are both forbidden and they lead to "unholy" feelings. But, in each case the "faller" learns from it and grows into a more faithful person. The love at which they fell makes him more whole. Laughter and lust take away from true, clean feeling to a faith, their faith. It is sad that a person can die because their curiosity of wanting to know more and to begin to understand what life is differs from the authority believes. If people could have formed a union, a bet they would have out voted Jorge, and allowed people to read and learn more. This in the end makes a person more whole, and allows them to love and become more active and secure in what they believe and do.

I hope you could follow some of my ideas. I am sorry they are not as clear as I had hoped they would turn out.

-Hillary

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: I have been debating on how to fit into this discussion. I have read the posts, and find many intersting and different points that are great. I do believe that there was a reason for the sex scene, I am by no means saying the length at which it lasted was appropriate, but who am I to say what is and was is not appropriate. I just know that I see a connection between the sex scene of Edgile's and the fascination of books by William of Baskerville. Crazy? Maybe, but maybe I can make myself a little clearer. It is agreed that William loved books and would have done anything to have seen and read the second book of Aristotle. He loved to read, and to learn, this was forbidden or looked down upon by the monks and so on. Did this stop William? No, he had a fixation on books and this temptation was too strong for him. He even saves books from the fire at the end of the movie when the Abbey is burning. : Now, Edgile's fixation is different, yes, but is it really? His temptation was the peasant woman, and later the love he says he feels for her. This woman, for whatever reason, had sex with him, and in the end seemed to want to go with Edgile. Edgile then has to chose. Which does he love more, his master or the woman. Tough choice, but he chooses. He chooses to go with his master, although he does look back one last time. His last sight of the "only true love of a woman in flesh." He then goes on to love books as his master did. : This isn't really where I wanted to go. I know it is confusing, but I guess I am trying to say there is a parallel in the movie, and somehow the sex scene begins to show how a temptation isn't necessarily always bad if one falls to it. Edgile falls to the woman, and William falls to books. They do seem related because they are both forbidden and they lead to "unholy" feelings. But, in each case the "faller" learns from it and grows into a more faithful person. The love at which they fell makes him more whole. Laughter and lust take away from true, clean feeling to a faith, their faith. It is sad that a person can die because their curiosity of wanting to know more and to begin to understand what life is differs from the authority believes. If people could have formed a union, a bet they would have out voted Jorge, and allowed people to read and learn more. This in the end makes a person more whole, and allows them to love and become more active and secure in what they believe and do. : I hope you could follow some of my ideas. I am sorry they are not as clear as I had hoped they would turn out. : -Hillary

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