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In Reply to: Re: Calling all Heretics posted by Jeffree Gilbert on December 10, 1998 at 14:53:20:

One could say that someone can't prove a tree exists because the only evidence we have is that there seems to be lots of them around which could be a result of a hallucination. But saying one believes in trees just like someone believes in God vastly misrepresents the issue. A belief in God for someone that only has faith that reality exists would be faith squared.

Neutrinos and Quarks and a hundred other subatomic particles have all been detected in bubble chambers. And just because you don't understand Quantum Physics doesn't mean only God does.

As far as being able to disprove God, I can not absolutely disprove the existance of elves,leprachans,trolls but I can make a good case against them and just about any god (its a bit hard to disprove the deist's god because god walked away). Not being able to disprove something is hardly a justification to put anything's dubious existance at the same level as a tree's existance or pluto's or a quarks.

Here's some evidence for a few things. Sorry if it takes too long to load.

A nice PICTURE of Pluto and its moon Charon

Or here's the ozone hole. I guess seeing is believing. The black area is a lack of data not a hole. Violet regions indicate least ozone, red indicates the most.

Or how about some sub-atomic particles, unless this is the Truman Show it looks like they are real.

There is not a single picture of God, trolls or little people with wings but I suppose they don't photograph well.

For my next post I will put years of philosophy classes to good use to discuss ideas on the existance of such things like this guy.

Rylan Bachman

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: Have you ever seen a black hole? How about a neutrino? a Quark? the ozone layer? Pluto? How do we know that Latin Bacig was reciting at the speed of sound was really a prayer? Hmm, I bet you believe they exist and give Bacig the benefit of the doubt because he is a Phd. The only evidence we have for these beliefs is that someone else said they saw one or that they can express it in mathematical terms so obscure that GOD only knows what it really means. The reality is WE all have a lot more invested in faith than we realize. We may be eating a load of bullshit everyday but we certainly don't want to believe it.
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: One may not be able to prove GOD's existance but one certainly cannot diprove his existance either. Arguing about what GOD did and why(and how?) may be entertaining but it does not bring us any closer that proving or disproving existance.
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: One could say that someone can't prove a tree exists because the only evidence we have is that there seems to be lots of them around which could be a result of a hallucination. But saying one believes in trees just like someone believes in God vastly misrepresents the issue. A belief in God for someone that only has faith that reality exists would be faith squared. : Neutrinos and Quarks and a hundred other subatomic particles have all been detected in bubble chambers. And just because you don't understand Quantum Physics doesn't mean only God does. : As far as being able to disprove God, I can not absolutely disprove the existance of elves,leprachans,trolls but I can make a good case against them and just about any god (its a bit hard to disprove the deist's god because god walked away). Not being able to disprove something is hardly a justification to put anything's dubious existance at the same level as a tree's existance or pluto's or a quarks. : Here's some evidence for a few things. Sorry if it takes too long to load. : A nice PICTURE of Pluto and its moon Charon : <img src= http://spaceart.com/solar/raw/pluto/plutonor.gif> : Or here's the ozone hole. I guess seeing is believing. The black area is a lack of data not a hole. Violet regions indicate least ozone, red indicates the most. : <img src= http://toms.gsfc.nasa.gov/imglib1/ephole98.gif> : Or how about some sub-atomic particles, unless this is the Truman Show it looks like they are real. : : <img src= http://violet.berkeley.edu/~phylabs/Html_docs/experiments/bbcre0tn.gif> : There is not a single picture of God, trolls or little people with wings but I suppose they don't photograph well. : For my next post I will put years of philosophy classes to good use to discuss ideas on the existance of such things like this guy. : <img src=http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dimension/8991/222_zs.jpg> : : Rylan Bachman : . : . : .Jeffree wrote : : Have you ever seen a black hole? How about a neutrino? a Quark? the ozone layer? Pluto? How do we know that Latin Bacig was reciting at the speed of sound was really a prayer? Hmm, I bet you believe they exist and give Bacig the benefit of the doubt because he is a Phd. The only evidence we have for these beliefs is that someone else said they saw one or that they can express it in mathematical terms so obscure that GOD only knows what it really means. The reality is WE all have a lot more invested in faith than we realize. We may be eating a load of bullshit everyday but we certainly don't want to believe it. : : : : One may not be able to prove GOD's existance but one certainly cannot diprove his existance either. Arguing about what GOD did and why(and how?) may be entertaining but it does not bring us any closer that proving or disproving existance. : :

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